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pedactyl
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:49 pm Post subject: sink/kettles/bench arrangement |
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Hi All - I'm currently working through a brewery build in my somewhat cramped garage. I have been debating the arrangement of the various pieces of equipment. I originally thought I'd go with the arrangement Kal used in his first build but it appears it might be hard to use the sink while doing a boil. The plumbing was installed around the original design, but the walls are still open, so I can adjust things if necessary. The space is basically a 8ft by 7ft corner. Easier to see with the pictures below. The 8ft wall has a window in the middle and a bathroom wall to the left. The 7ft wall is an interior wall that can't be moved, however the space to its right is open. I already have the sink (~30in x 30in) and the bathroom can't move, but pretty much everything else is flexible.
I did some rough sketches of the different possible arrangements I could think of:
#1 - original, requires no additional work
#2 - middle sink placement - I see that Tiny did a build like this but not everyone loved the idea - small amt of additional plumbing
#3 - L shaped design - plenty of space for kettle cleaning - small amt of additional plumbing
#4 - opposite wall - same advantages as #2,3. control panel placement might be difficult.
#5 - opposite wall alt - same advantages as #2,3,4. more continuous bench space. same control panel difficulty.
#6 - alt directional brew, sink on right hand side. Will require some clever plumbing, but not impossible.
Thoughts?
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Ozarks Mountain Brew
Joined: 22 May 2013 Posts: 737 Location: The Ozark Mountains of Missouri
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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does the window open? if so I would put the boil kettle under or in front of it just for ventilation if your not going to use a hood
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pedactyl
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it does open, but I plan on having a hood. I think it'll be too cold to brew in the winter with it open.
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Ozarks Mountain Brew
Joined: 22 May 2013 Posts: 737 Location: The Ozark Mountains of Missouri
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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so all I can say is your going to need enough space on that extra table for allot of brewing junk so i would keep it as big as posible
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Any limits on hood placement?
Where’s the control panel going?
I’d say you have a few viable options here. I like having the boil beside the sink so that nothing needs unplugging from that kettle when cleaning. I use a table on the other side of the sink for cleaning the MLT (only one cable to disconnect).
Kal
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Tungsten
Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Posts: 318 Location: Buffalo, NY
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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If #1 doesn't require any additional work then I'd go with that. It doesn't have any disadvantages versus the other setups in my opinion. That said I do like #6 as well.
That door is pesky though. Can it be a pocket door?
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Ozarks Mountain Brew
Joined: 22 May 2013 Posts: 737 Location: The Ozark Mountains of Missouri
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I agree I like #1 the best, but Kal has a point the only place for the panel is over the mlt, mine is there so its no issue actually, but you'll be reaching
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Ozarks Mountain Brew
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I said that wrong mine is over the mlt but yours will be over the HLt and some steam
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pedactyl
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, to answer a few of the questions:
The hood can go anywhere, it's a vaulted ceiling, low end (left hand of picture) is 8ft, high end (right hand of picture) is at least 12ft high.
As far as the panel goes, I could redraw, but all the scanning... Here's some text explaining where the panel might go. While I'd rather not, it seems like the panel could probably go over the HLT. Steam should be minimal with the lid on. (I am definitely not the expert here though.)
#1 - original - over the bench on the right hand side (not above any of the kettles)
#2 - middle sink placement - over the bench on the right hand side (not above any of the kettles)
#3 - L shaped design - over the bench on the right hand side, but further toward the bottom of the picture (not above any of the kettles)
#4 - opposite wall - over the HLT?
#5 - opposite wall alt - over the HLT?
#6 - alt directional brew, sink on right hand side. - over the HLT?
It's too late for a pocket door. I thought about it during the build, but it was just such a pain. If those doors get off their track, they are pretty tough to fix.
And just to summarize, the only reason I'm hesitating with option #1 is due to the -potential- difficulty in cleaning the MLT...
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Ozarks Mountain Brew
Joined: 22 May 2013 Posts: 737 Location: The Ozark Mountains of Missouri
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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if you leave enough wire you can unplug the temp probe and carry each kettle to the sink, thats what I do
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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#1 - This is like my first setup. I don't like this one because you can't really use the sink to wash to MLT until after the boil is done and you've moved the boil kettle out of the way. I like to tilt the MLT and boil in sideways towards the sink to spray them out.
#2 - Solves the above but it doesn't give you any working space beside the sink. I find most of the time I spend in the brewery is doing non brew day things and having a table beside the sink is handy.
#3 - I like this one. Solves #1 by giving a spot to the left of the sink for the MLT cleanout while the boil's going on, as well as a spot to put things when cleaning other times (solves #2).
#4 - don't like this one as both boil and MLT need to be unplugged/moved to clean.
#5 - Works pretty much as well as #3.
#6 - same as #4.
I'd probably go with #3, with the panel above the lower right bench. But that's just me. I suggest you go through my BREW DAY STEP BY STEP and see what if anything you wish to change based on how you want to brew and then figure out what layout makes sense for you. IT's here: theelectricbrewery.com/brew-day-step-by-step
Good luck!
Kal
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pedactyl
Joined: 01 Dec 2017 Posts: 38 Location: Seattle
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Very helpful, thanks for the comments. Agreed Kal, seems like #3 or #5 would work best. Leaning toward #3 at the moment. Sorta depends if I want to have the kettles in a line or not.
Curious on #6, what if the kettles in were shifted over to the right with the boil kettle in the corner? Would that still make it hard to clean the boil kettle? Since I'd have to tip it forward, instead of to the side?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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pedactyl wrote: | Curious on #6, what if the kettles in were shifted over to the right with the boil kettle in the corner? Would that still make it hard to clean the boil kettle? Since I'd have to tip it forward, instead of to the side? |
Probably not hard to clean but you may find that having hoses connected to the output when chilling gets in the way of using the sink for other things you may want to use it for (not sure what that would be as the chiller would be hooked up to the tap probably so the sink's in use).
I'd go through the STEP BY STEP and go through the motions of connecting/disconnecting hoses and the various actions to see what works best. it's probably easier if a kettle's not tucked into a corner, but not sure how much easier that really makes things.
Kal
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pedactyl
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I went through the brew day as you suggested last night. While I think #6 would work (wort chiller placement possibly a problem), it's not really any better than 3 or 5. Plus #6 is way more build work. I'd need to adjust all of the plumbing and would feel the desire to rework the panel for the alternative direction of the kettles. Pretty sure I'm going to go for #3. Appreciate all the advice!
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