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PostLink    Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject: Grain group purchase Reply with quote


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Bags of malt cost too much. Buy at LHBS and pay at least 100% markup. Forget about buying online. Also tried a local brewpub. Once again, about 100% markup.

Anyone doing or interested in doing a group grain purchase in the NOVA area? Or, is anyone in the NOVA area already doing?

Thanks.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an active DC group that does group buys here:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=628244
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Unfortunately, DC isn't close. Based on the homebrewtalk into I'd have to drive into DC to pickup the grain. 55 to 50 lb bags of grain add up in weight. Might have to make more than 1 trip. I'd probably lose any savings.

I'm still looking for a group malt purchase in the Burke/Fairfax/Manassas/Gainesville/Bristow/Warrenton/Chantilly, VA area.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you talked to folks in your local homebrew club? There's usually clubs everywhere.

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Closest homebrew club is in a gated community. If not a homeowner in their community the dues are much higher. Sound like snobs to me.

Asked if anyone was interested in starting a homebrew club. Apparently no interest as no replies.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraig wrote:
Asked if anyone was interested in starting a homebrew club. Apparently no interest as no replies.

No responses doesn't mean nobody's interested. You're getting limited exposuring asking in our forum as the traffic is low and it's somewhat specialized to those building or using our electric brewery design.

If you want better results, you should be posting at a forum like HomeBrewTalk.com. You'll get 100x times the eyeballs on your post.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've also asked locally on homebrewing forums, craigslist, etc.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick search of Virginia homebrew clubs:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/community/clubs/find-a-homebrew-club/

No idea if any of these are close but there are dozens:

ABINGDON, VA
Overmountain Brewers
Email
ARLINGTON, VA
GRIST
(617) 275-3143 | Email
ATLANTA, VA
New River Valley Brewers Guild
Email
BEDFORD, VA
Labrewtory Homebrew Club
(540) 816-9179 | Email
BLACKSBURG, VA
Homebrew Club At Virginia Tech
(540) 314-1668 | Email
BRISTOL, VA
Bristol Brewery
(276) 608-1220 | Email
CHANTILLY, VA
50 West
Email
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA
Charlottesville Area Masters of Real Ale (CAMRA)
Email
CHESAPEAKE, VA
East Coast Homebrew
(919) 278-6770 | Email
CULPEPER, VA
Culpeper Brewing Society
Email
DANVILLE, VA
Train Wreck Brewers
(434) 250-1424 | Email
FAIRFAX, VA
Dulles Reg Brewing Society
(703) 378-0329 | Email
Kena Shriners Homebrewing Club
(703) 338-0267 | Email
FOREST, VA
Hill City Homebrewers
Email
FORT BELVOIR, VA
Fort Belvoir Homebrewers
(301) 997-4737 | Email
FREDERICKSBURG, VA
Fredericksburg Area R T Brew Club
(540) 898-0611
Fredericksburg Brewing & Tasting Society
(540) 898-7382 | Email
Fredericksburg Brewing Insiders (FBI)
Email
Secret Wielders of the Enchanted Mash Paddle
Email
Sideways Brewing Club
(540) 840-0102 | Email
GAINESVILLE, VA
Downright Obsessed Homebrewers (DOH)
(703) 596-2681 | Email
GREENBACKVILLE, VA
Brewers In the Eastern Shore Region (B.I.E.R.)
Email
HARRISONBURG, VA
Harrisonburg Hombrewers
Email
HERNDON, VA
Wort Hogs
(571) 449-6784 | Email
LANSDOWNE, VA
LOudoun Creators of Ale & Lager (LOCAL) 19382
Email
LEESBURG, VA
LoCo Hopheads
(571) 533-5502 | Email
LINDEN, VA
Eidolon Brewing Club
(908) 433-2136 | Email
LURAY, VA
Blue Ridge Brewers Association
(540) 860-8355 | Email
LYNCHBURG, VA
Hill City Home Brew Club
(434) 316-9018 | Email
MIDLOTHIAN, VA
Mentoring Advanced Standards of Homebrewing (M.A.S.H.)
804-742-2582 | Email
NEWPORT NEWS, VA
Bad News Home Brew Club
Email
NORFOLK, VA
Hampton Roads Brewing & Tasting Society
(757) 459-2739 | Email
Seven City Brewers
(757) 435-7999 | Email
NORTON, VA
Saint Arnolds Homebrewers
(276) 679-4539 | Email
POUNDING MILL, VA
Stooges Brew Club
276 701 3537 | Email
PURCELLVILLE, VA
Homebrewers of Western Loudoun (HOWL)
(540) 882-9073 | Email
HOWL Homebrewers of Western Loudoun County
(540) 441-3102 | Email
RICHMOND, VA
Fan Brew Exchange
(850) 374-1858 | Email
James River Homebrewers
(804) 241-7788 | Email
ROANOKE, VA
Big Lick Brewers
Email
Star City Brewers Guild
Email
SMITHFIELD, VA
Smithfield Hop and Malt Societ (H.A.M.S.)
Email
SOUTH HILL, VA
Southern Virginia Brewers' Collective
(434) 917-1990 | Email
SPRINGFIELD, VA
The Rolling Brewery Homebrew Club
(703) 644-9397 | Email
STAFFORD, VA
Stafford Brewers Club (SBC)
(210) 373-0781 | Email
STAUNTON, VA
Staunton Brew Crew
Email
STERLING, VA
Northern Virginia Home Brew
Email
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA
Honoring Of Patriotic Service (H.O.P.S)
(757) 812-3785 | Email
WARRENTON, VA
Warrenton Brewers Guild
(703) 906-1783 | Email
WILLIAMSBURG, VA
Colonial Ale Smiths & Keggers (CASK)
(757) 865-2792 | Email
WINCHESTER, VA
Shenandoah Valley Homebrewers Guild
(217) 341-5675 | Email
WOODBRIDGE, VA
Prince William Brewers Guild
(703) 298-9298 | Email

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, but no reason to post the list as I'm aware of these homebrew clubs.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I googled "Nova homebrew club" and found: http://www.novahomebrew.com/

This one is 15 minutes from you in Gainsville: http://www.dohnova.com/

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one in Gainesville is the one charging a premium if not a homeowner in their gated community.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraig wrote:
Thanks, but no reason to post the list as I'm aware of these homebrew clubs.

And none of those ~50 or so worked out?

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraig wrote:
Closest homebrew club is in a gated community. If not a homeowner in their community the dues are much higher. Sound like snobs to me.

I seriously doubt it's an actual gated community club. Did they tell you they are a gated community club? That would be weird. I don't see anything on their website about this.

I would imagine that like most clubs they're regional (like any club) so like many that charge dues they do charge more for people outside the area because someone external is less likely to help out and volunteer at events given the distances involved. Practice has shown that most outside the area only show up to bulk buys and don't tend to help out as much. I volunteer at a lot of our local splits and it's a lot of work (many hours on the actual split day, and many hours beforehand organizing), and there are always outliers that are simply looking at saving a buck. I can't of course speak for this club and their reasons but that's been my experience.

When you get involved with the splits and do the work (there's a ton of it!) you start to realize that it's actually a good buy to purchase from your LHBS! I try to do that regularly as well.

Either way, good luck!

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traffic in this area is horrible. What looks close on a map turns into a long drive. Even on a weekend traffic is terrible in this area.

Arlington, VA is across the Potomac River from DC. Long drive.

Chantilly, VA is near Dulles airport. Long drive.

Fairfax is promising, but I emailed more than once and never received a reply.

Fredericksburg is, map wise, not far. Traffic wise, is a difficult drive.

Gainesville I've already given my input.

Herndon is further than Chantilly

Springfield is about 1 hour or more away with traffic depending on location in Springfield. However, is a possibility and I will research.

The Brewers Guild in Warrenton and Woodbridge seemed to give discounts instead of being a homebrew club. At least this is the impression I got when visiting the websites several months ago.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraig wrote:
Traffic in this area is horrible. What looks close on a map turns into a long drive. Even on a weekend traffic is terrible in this area.

Google maps tells me some are only about 20 mins away (when there's no traffic of course). If traffic to everywhere is always terrible, it sounds like the only club that would work for you is in your own home. Wink

When we have meets with my local club it's about an hour's drive. It's definitely not convenient, but then you have to pick and choose priorities. I don't do it to save money as while it may be cheaper, once you factor in your time, driving, planning, it's not worth it from a financial perspective. But that's not why people do it really - it's about the common interest, sharing stories, the hobby. For what it's worth, most clubs don't want people joining just to get in on bulk purchases (ours doesn't). That's not why these clubs exist primarily as it does zero to help these non-profit clubs.

I think you're stuck here: You don't want to pay higher prices for the convenience of order online or buying at your LHBS, but you don't want to have to spend an hour driving somewhere.

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
I seriously doubt it's an actual gated community club. Did they tell you they are a gated community club? That would be weird. I don't see anything on their website about this.Kal


I admit I was thinking of "Dominion Valley" in regard to Victory Lakes. Dominion Valley is a gated community where Disney once planned a Disney World. People raised a fuss, including actor Robert Duvall. Disney got fed up and walked away.

From the Downright Obsessed Homebrewer website

Section 3. Non Victory Lakes Resident Members

Members that are not residents of Victory Lakes will be charged a higher due rate for their annual membership. The higher fee shall be determined by the Board of Directors.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds normal to me.

Like I mentioned, clubs are about helping out, bringing up the interest in our hobby, not about trying to save a buck on supplies, not trying to bypass the LHBS as they're important and should be supported. So many clubs with dues will charge more for those not in the immediate area as the last thing they want is someone treating them like a storefront because that's not what they are. Clubs are not interested in gaining members who only want to save a buck. They're also not in it for money - I've never heard of a 'for-profit' homebrewing club. It costs money to run many of the events and the people who run the clubs are not paid, and spend 100's of hours a year managing them.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Grain group purchase Reply with quote

KB wrote:
Bags of malt cost too much. Buy at LHBS and pay at least 100% markup. Forget about buying online. Also tried a local brewpub. Once again, about 100% markup.

Anyone doing or interested in doing a group grain purchase in the NOVA area? Or, is anyone in the NOVA area already doing?

Thanks.

I'm curious ... what's your cost at 100% mark up? There are several option in the NoVA region for fair priced grain.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a bag of pale malt is $27 and someone sells it for over $50 this is more than 100% markup. I understand people are in business to make money. However, I'm not paying for their vacations too. It's their job to take my money and it's my job to keep my money. A bit of a profit is fine.

Closest group grain purchase is in MD/DC. No fun with beltway traffic.

Instead of writing "There are several option in the NoVA region for fair priced grain." provide details.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I saw a big group buy in Washington I think on home brew talk, I think they do it once a year but not even sure what post it is


guess that was already posted, sorry I didn't read the whole post

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