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barney the bear
Joined: 15 Oct 2014 Posts: 46 Location: Linköping, Sweden
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Link Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:17 am Post subject: |
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The PID:s usually have functions for limiting the effect - check the manuals. You must use 3-phase elements for 400V. But besides three times higher effect 400V has one disadvantage - three times higher watt density than 3x230V although not a problem when only heating water (HLT).
You use the same element for 400V or 3 x 230V. You just wire the element in a different way for 400V.
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cleber
Joined: 30 Nov 2015 Posts: 2 Location: Finland
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
Drinking: Pub Ale, Electric Creamsicle, Mild, Pliny the Younger, Belgian Dark Strong, Weizen, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter
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Link Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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They likely do that by lowering the voltage. You can do the same with a 240V element by running 120V across it instead of 240V. For example, a 5500W element meant to run at 240V only outputs 25% of that power when run at 120V. 400V elements would show similar drops by feeding them less voltage.
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Norrii
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 3 Location: New Zealand
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:10 pm Post subject: 240V Replacement Checklist |
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Hi Kal
I'm not an electrician (though will be using one for the build) and am embarking on sourcing all the parts for the Control Panel.
I couldn't see a single list (like pp196-197 of the manual) for 240V countries. The top of this forum lists the replacement parts but not necessarily which ones they replace for us non-electrical types.
Was hoping you could check over the attached replacement list I compiled and let me know of any errors so I that I a) don't miss anything and b) don't buy any parts I don't actually need!
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:41 am Post subject: Re: 240V Replacement Checklist |
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With the 100's of questions I get daily I'm afraid that sort of detailed verification is not something I have time for Norrii - sorry! The instructions in the first post of this thread will have a complete list of parts that need to be replaced - it's a 1:1 replacement of 120V parts with 240V parts so it should be fairly straightforward as the part names are identical other than the 120V to 240V change. Good luck with your build!
Kal
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jarmor
Joined: 06 Nov 2014 Posts: 4 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Norrii
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 3 Location: New Zealand
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Link Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Legend! Many thanks Jarle
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crluff
Joined: 21 Feb 2016 Posts: 5 Location: United Kingdom
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:03 pm Post subject: Shunt |
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This may seem a silly question (but I'm a dunce where electrics are concerned). If I'm not going to need volt and amp meters, do I still need a 'shunt'?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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If you do not use the amp meter, a shunt is not required. As far as wiring changes are concerned, treat shunt like a single connection point where all wires are connected together, so if you get rid of it, the power in simply now connects to wherever the shunt power out goes.
Welcome to the forum!
Kal
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crluff
Joined: 21 Feb 2016 Posts: 5 Location: United Kingdom
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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That's great, Kal, thanks for the quick response. I'll now start drawing-up the plans for a brew panel customised to fit my set-up.
Cheers
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck! Feel free to post any question you may have here! We can't answer everything but we try to help!
Kal
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crluff
Joined: 21 Feb 2016 Posts: 5 Location: United Kingdom
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, In the panel I'm making for myself I will only be using one element and won't need the switching between 'boil' and 'hlt'. With this in mind, will I still require a Relay between the (single) SSR and the element outlet receptacle, or can the SSR be wired 'direct' to the element outlet receptacle? I will still be using a 'power in' relay and key switch.
Thanks
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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crluff
Joined: 21 Feb 2016 Posts: 5 Location: United Kingdom
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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That explains it very clearly, thanks, Kal.
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crluff
Joined: 21 Feb 2016 Posts: 5 Location: United Kingdom
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Link Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Hi, As I won't be needing the AMP/Volt meters and have subsequently removed the shunt, do I still need the in-line 7A/250v fuse (ie: is it specific for use with the shunt or generic to the whole system)? Thanks
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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crluff wrote: | Hi, As I won't be needing the AMP/Volt meters and have subsequently removed the shunt, do I still need the in-line 7A/250v fuse (ie: is it specific for use with the shunt or generic to the whole system)? Thanks |
While it is technically never "required", it is still recommended that the fuse be used as it protects the other lower current devices (PIDs, timer, etc).
Kal
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Norrii
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 3 Location: New Zealand
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Link Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi Kal, any issue with using the Blichmann 20gal w boil coil (220vac, 5000w) in this setup? Any changes required in the control box? Thanks
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kal Forum Administrator
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lef_fussiger
Joined: 30 Jun 2016 Posts: 3
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Link Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Hi Kal,
I have some questions about de 30A/240V DPDT or DPST relay with 220V AC coil:
- Can I to substitute Power Relay for other contactor like Contactor Tripolar 32a 3p+1nf (http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-719993068-contator-tripolar-32a-3p1nf-lc1d-3201-bobina-220v-_JM) - Coil 220v?
If de answer to question indicates that sustitute, cold pass the eletric build for this.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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lef_fussiger wrote: | I have some questions about de 30A/240V DPDT or DPST relay with 220V AC coil:
- Can I to substitute Power Relay for other contactor like Contactor Tripolar 32a 3p+1nf (http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-719993068-contator-tripolar-32a-3p1nf-lc1d-3201-bobina-220v-_JM) - Coil 220v?
If de answer to question indicates that sustitute, cold pass the eletric build for this. |
I really don't know as I don't speak Portuguese and the web page you linked to has very little information on the product.
If you're finding it hard to find parts or are unsure how to know if substitutions would work, we can sell you the parts you need, guaranteed to work for you. Entire kits made for 220-240V countries are available as well. Contact us at sales@TheElectricBrewery.com or see our control panel order page here: https://shop.theelectricbrewery.com/collections/control-panels
Good luck and welcome to the forum!
Kal
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