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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:04 am Post subject: |
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It's definitely a great beer. I just finished my 3rd keg of it a couple of days ago...
Kal
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mvakoc
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 Posts: 152 Location: Evergreen, CO
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Kal, have you ever bottled and moderately aged this beer? As expected for a hoppy beer it loses a lot of flavor but I was surprised just how much this one in particular changed.
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perogi
Joined: 12 Feb 2012 Posts: 850 Location: NH
Drinking: Perogi Pale, NEIPA, Nutter's Crossing Nut Brown Ale, Edmund Fitzgerald Porter Clone
Working on: Max's Maibock
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:51 am Post subject: |
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mvakoc - what kind of bottle caps are you using? The "oxygen-absorbing" ones?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Nope. Only kegged. Though I have some kegs that are 6-12 months old.
Kal
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Kevin59
Joined: 03 Aug 2012 Posts: 1047 Location: Fort Collins, CO
Drinking: Imperial Brown Ale
Working on: Oatmeal Stout, IPA
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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So for what it's worth, referring back to my post yesterday where I calculate a post-boil gravity of 1.074, that's still the value I get regardless of the pre-boil volume. Which makes sense when I stop to think about it since the total gravity points from the grain are "conserved" through the post-mash extraction process. This recipe has 940.6 max total gravity points based on the grain and amounts used, so at 95% mash extraction efficiency that's 893.6 points into the BK. If the finished volume is 12 gallons then the gravity should be 1.074.
Working in reverse, if the actual post-boil OG is 1.068 for a 12 gallon volume, then the total gravity points in the BK are 816. That's equivalent to an 86.7% mash extraction efficiency (816/940.6).
So where am I going wrong in my evaluation of this process? My geeky spreadsheet is attached if anyone wants to play with it and/or figure out where I've gone wrong.
NOTE: This is a fantastic beer! I love it, I'm drinking it (at home not now ) and I'm making it again this weekend! So once again, I'm not complaining but rather just trying to thoroughly understand.
-Kevin
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mvakoc
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 Posts: 152 Location: Evergreen, CO
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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perogi wrote: | mvakoc - what kind of bottle caps are you using? The "oxygen-absorbing" ones? |
I usually buy the oxygen caps. It definitely has an oxidized, sherry flavor hint. The bottling process I used for this was the same as others but I noticed aging with this particular beer far more than any other.
I really hate bottling and rarely do it these days.
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OkieDokie
Joined: 31 Aug 2013 Posts: 191 Location: Oklahoma
Drinking: Electric ale, Weizen
Working on: Electric lager, American Amber Ale, Dirty Blonde
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Link Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Is Janet's Brown Ale, similar to say Sam Smith's Nut Brown, or is it hoppier than that? It seems like a nut brown isn't hoppy, but this might be. Just wondering about the malt versus hop balance.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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OkieDokie wrote: | Is Janet's Brown Ale, similar to say Sam Smith's Nut Brown, or is it hoppier than that? It seems like a nut brown isn't hoppy, but this might be. Just wondering about the malt versus hop balance. |
I found that beer here:
http://www.samuelsmithsbrewery.co.uk/nutbrownale.html
I've never had it but given that it's a UK style beer and only 5% it's probably more like an English Brown Ale than an "Imperial" American Brown Ale like Janet's.
Janet's is a lot strong (more alcohol) and will be a lot hoppier, less malty, less sweet, etc.
Kal
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Update:
I brewed this beer again in the fall of 2013 but but this time I'm serving it using a beer gas blend (70% nitro / 30% CO2) instead of straight CO2, pushed through one of my stout faucets to get a nice creamy head and close to flat beer. Absolutely wonderful. I enjoy it a lot more than on regular C02 so this one's always going to be served this way from now on.
Kal
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Geosmashing
Joined: 25 Apr 2014 Posts: 36 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I want to brew this one next. Can someone help me understand what adding hops during the mash means, exactly? Do I add hops to the mashtun at the same time as I'm mashing-in?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
Drinking: Pub Ale, Electric Creamsicle, Mild, Pliny the Younger, Belgian Dark Strong, Weizen, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter
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Link Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Geosmashing wrote: | Can someone help me understand what adding hops during the mash means, exactly? Do I add hops to the mashtun at the same time as I'm mashing-in? |
Correct. If using pellets, crush them into as much of a powder as you can, as otherwise they clump up a lot. Stir them in with your grain when you mash in.
You remind me that I need to make this beer again. It's phenomenal.
Kal
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Geosmashing
Joined: 25 Apr 2014 Posts: 36 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, thanks for the reply!
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Paulhere
Joined: 12 Jul 2015 Posts: 2
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Link Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Kal - I noticed the AHA recipe has dextrose but I didn't see it in yours. Did you increase the base grain and forego the dextrose?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
Drinking: Pub Ale, Electric Creamsicle, Mild, Pliny the Younger, Belgian Dark Strong, Weizen, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter
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Link Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Paulhere wrote: | Kal - I noticed the AHA recipe has dextrose but I didn't see it in yours. Did you increase the base grain and forego the dextrose? |
Strange. I don't remember ever seeing this recipe with simple sugars added. The version in Brewing Classic Styles doesn't, nor does any of the versions I find googling for it.
Kal
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've never done that version. If you do brew it let us know how you like it!
Kal
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Keating
Joined: 08 Oct 2015 Posts: 1 Location: Ottawa
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Link Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Janet's Brown Ale (batch #134) |
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kal wrote: |
Photo (c) homebrewersassociation.org
This is a recipe by well known home brewer Mike McDole (aka 'Tasty' on the forums he frequents).
It's a recipe that got some great publicity when it took gold at the 2004 National Homebrew Competition (NHC) - it was entered under category 23 Specialty Ale.
Some may want to call it an American Brown Ale but is a bit outside the numbers for that style because it has slightly too much hops and alcohol. You could call it an Imperial American Brown Ale I suppose (if that category existed). |
Just listened to The Session, with Tasty McDole (regular) and Gordon Strong (Guest, BJCP President) talking about the new 2014 BJCP Guidelines.
The new guidelines have a category 21B, Specialty IPA, which covers White, Black, Belgian and other varieties, as well as allowing, like all categories, strength variations (Session, double, Imperial, etc)
Russian River Janet's Brown is listed as a commercial example under 21B - Sprecialty IPA, under the subheading of "Brown IPA".
Gordon and Tasty agreed that under the new Guidelines, it would be "Category 21B - Specialty IPA - American Brown Session IPA"
Just got to a computer and googled the recipe and came across this post first, so figured I'd post an update.
Paul
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting - Thanks for the update! I'll include it in the original post.
Kal
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ParadiseBrew
Joined: 09 Dec 2014 Posts: 83 Location: paradise, ca
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Link Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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i just killed 10 gallons of this. This is an amazing beer to brew no matter what time of the year it is. will defiantly be keeping it on the rotation!
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 11123 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed! I haven't brewed it for 2-3 years now so I'm definitely due. Too many beers!
Kal
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