Return to TheElectricBrewery.com
  [ Shop ]   [ Building ]   [ Using ]   [ Recipes ]   [ Testimonials ]   [ Gallery ]   [ FAQ ]   [ About Us ]   [ Contact Us ]   [ Newsletter ]

Log inLog in   RegisterRegister   User Control PanelUser Control Panel   Private MessagesPrivate Messages   MembershipClub Memberships   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   Photo AlbumsPhoto Albums   Forum FAQForum FAQ

Green Flash West Coast IPA
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer-friendly view    TheElectricBrewery.com Forum Index -> Recipes & Ingredients
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Pre-Boil gravity vs. post-boil gravity for West Coast IP Reply with quote


        Register to remove this ad. It's free!
Dan Cook wrote:
Kal, I see a WCIPA clone recipe at BrewersFriend.com (http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/221865/green-flash-west-coast-ipa-clone). Not sure if it was you who created the BrewersFriend recipe or somebody else did and simply referenced you as the inspiration / source, but in any case the recipe calls for a pre-boil gravity of 1.048 and a target OG of 1.069. A 21-point (43%) rise in gravity seems like a lot. Do you ever plan for that much concentration, and if so do you boil for more than 90 mins to accomplish it?

I didn't enter that recipe on that site so I can't comment on it.

That said, recipes should never include a pre-boil gravity as that's system (not recipe) dependent. Different systems will boil off different amounts of water, so the pre-boil gravity will vary by system. To include the pre-boil gravity in a recipe doesn't make any sense.

Quote:
I listened to the original podcast just this morning of The Jamil Show / "Can You Brew It?" for cloning this beer, and the brewer (I think it was Tasty McDole?) mentioned a concentration from pre-boil = 1.054 to OG = 1.069. That seems more in line with my own experience.

All depends on your boil off rate. It's system dependent. It's why I don't list pre-boil gravity in my recipes as it'll vary by system, just like mash efficiency. Use whatever works for your particular setup to achieve the post boil target I list for this recipe.

Good luck!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Dan Cook



Joined: 14 Jan 2015
Posts: 12
Location: Seattle


PostLink    Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal, thanks for the reply.

Another thing to note, which most of you folks probably noticed already, is that Green Flash changed the recipe for West Coast IPA in mid-2014. It is now an 8.1% Double IPA. I wasn't aware of this and bought a six-pack yesterday so that I have a basis for comparison when I try to clone it. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the label.

I'll be sticking with the humble single IPA original recipe. Can anybody think of a decent near-substitute for the original 7.1% West Coast IPA for comparison?
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dan,

Yes - I noticed the change as well. It'll likely be very similar to the recipe here. A change of alcohol from 7.3% to 8.1% isn't huge. I bet the hopping rate isn't all that different (they mention 95 IBU on their website).

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brewed this again a couple of days ago. A few videos:

Making the starter: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbMpwJPAcoX/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
Hops measured out: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbXoe4BgkNz/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
Transferring strike water to the mash tun: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbZkG34A7-_/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
Sparge nearly done: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbaFyNaA8kt/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
Half way through the boil, fermenters cleaned: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbaOaABAneT/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
All cleaned up: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbaZHX0AOWq/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery
Fermenting away: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbhP1YeAWHV/?taken-by=theelectricbrewery

I used a Wyeast 1450 (Denny's Favorite 50 Ale) yeast this time. More info: http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/Wyeast-1450-Dennys-Favorite-50-Ale-yeast

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
I used a Wyeast 1450 (Denny's Favorite 50 Ale) yeast this time. More info: http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/Wyeast-1450-Dennys-Favorite-50-Ale-yeast

So fast forward to today and the beer's been kegged for a week or so... Amazing how much difference the yeast can make. This is a beer that I've normally brewed with clean Chico yeast (sold as Fermentis Safale US-05 dry yeast, Wyeast 1056 American Ale, and White Labs WLP-001 California Ale).

Brewed it this time with Denny's Favorite 50 Ale. It's a completely different beer: Most gone (or at least severely muted) are the signature pungent/dank/piney flavours and aromas from the Columbus and Simcoe hops. The beer's got a maltier weight to it as well. It's like you crossed the normal West Coast IPA version of this beer with an English IPA.

It's a tasty beer, but really not what I expected.

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
Brewed it this time with Denny's Favorite 50 Ale. It's a completely different beer: Most gone (or at least severely muted) are the signature pungent/dank/piney flavours and aromas from the Columbus and Simcoe hops. The beer's got a maltier weight to it as well. It's like you crossed the normal West Coast IPA version of this beer with an English IPA.

It's a tasty beer, but really not what I expected.


Even though it's different than the usual recipe, I have to say I'm liking this beer! Got try out my new can glasses too!



Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I have a question it is probably stupid but you tell to ferment 66-68F so this is temp of beer not the place where carboy stands yes ?? And now if beer temp should be 66-68F what sholud be "room" temp ? 4-5 degrees lower ?? Approxymately of course
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome to the forum!

66-68F is indeed the temperature of the beer.

What the ambient should be will vary depending on how active the fermentation is. During the most active phase the wort/beer can be 2-4 degrees higher then ambient depending on the type of fermenter used, the volume being fermented, etc. I would probably go with 64F ambient if possible. Near the end of fermentation there's no harm in raising the temperature too.

If you use Chico/US-05 yeast (as per the recipe) it's pretty forgiving as far as temperature goes.

Good luck!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
Hi and welcome to the forum!

66-68F is indeed the temperature of the beer.

What the ambient should be will vary depending on how active the fermentation is. During the most active phase the wort/beer can be 2-4 degrees higher then ambient depending on the type of fermenter used, the volume being fermented, etc. I would probably go with 64F ambient if possible. Near the end of fermentation there's no harm in raising the temperature too.

If you use Chico/US-05 yeast (as per the recipe) it's pretty forgiving as far as temperature goes.

Good luck!

Kal



Thank you very much

PS sorry for my english Wink
PS2 Are you ever brewed Black IPA ??
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at Janet's Brown Ale for an excellent take on American Black Ale / India Black Ale / Cascadian Dark Ale:

http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25123

Cheers!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

I have one more question. In this saturday I plan brew west coast grain bill and hops are difrent. (If i be honest basicly everything is different) But i experiment with water lately so I wanted to try Your profile. But my question is. With mash temp 150 is this beer will not be too thin ??? I know west coast should be dry but im affraid beer will be unbalance. In my grain bill is only 84% Pale Malt/ English Pale (im sorry in Europe We have Pilsen Malt and Pale Ale Malt as base malt) and 16% Cara Clair. So do You think beer will not be too thin (aa og is 15.5 Plato is something about 1.062)
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orbit wrote:
With mash temp 150 is this beer will not be too thin ???

No. The FG should be around 1.013. That's what matters. That isn't overly dry. You choose a mash temp to hit your expected target FG.

The FG of any beer however is a function of many things. Mash temp is only one factor that affects FG. The others are:

(1) The mash temp (or overall mash schedule if you step mash)
(2) How much unfermentables you use (in this case 15.4%). These will not ferment out. The more unfermentables (like crystal malts) that you use, the higher your FG will be.
(3) How attenuative the yeast is. In this case US-05 is somewhat middle of the road but we're going for 81.2% attenuation which is fairly high, so we're mashing somewhat low.
(4) The starting gravity (since yeast attenuation is a %). The higher the gravity, the lower you need to mash to hit the same FG assuming everything else stays the same.

If on your setup you do not hit the same FG number, you can certainly adjust the mash temp or any of the other items listed above to compensate. Keep in mind that changing some of the things (like the % of unfermentable malts or yeast) will of course change the taste as well. But that's what makes brewing interesting. Experimentation is required. Wink

If you plan on having a starting gravity of 1.062 instead of 1.069 as per the recipe, you may want to bump up the mash temp by a couple of degrees. Completely up to you.

Good luck!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, ok thank You.

I think I try start with 154 and let it drop for 60 min, so it probably ending in 150

thanks again

but i have to brew one of your recipes from A to Z
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wonder, in many of your recipes you clear beer with gelatin. Do you think that, this can reduce hop aroma from dry hopping
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orbit wrote:
I was wonder, in many of your recipes you clear beer with gelatin. Do you think that, this can reduce hop aroma from dry hopping

It may - I don't use it all the time with hop forward beers and don't tend to use it with this beer. See my notes here: http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/knox-unflavoured-gelatin

You raise a good question so I think I'll update my recipes to indicate that gelatin is optional (and the link to the gelatin page explains further). Cheers!

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So maybe it is better to dry hop beer after gelatin cleaning? But dry hops (I think not all) make the beer hazy. So clarification would be pointless. I have to try dry hop after gelatin with different hops. Thanks
Back to top
Orbit



Joined: 11 Dec 2018
Posts: 11



PostLink    Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one more question, you used 36g yeast us-05 in this recipe. So there were 3 packages or you have a large yeast bag of 500 g, and you've weighed exactly 36 g?
Back to top
kal
Forum Administrator


Joined: 12 Dec 2010
Posts: 9934
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Drinking: German Lager, Electric Hop Candy Jr, Scottish 70/-, Cali Common, Maibock, Helles, Russian Imperial Stout, Black Butte Porter

Working on: Weizen


PostLink    Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orbit wrote:
one more question, you used 36g yeast us-05 in this recipe. So there were 3 packages or you have a large yeast bag of 500 g, and you've weighed exactly 36 g?

Either way works. It's the same result.

Kal

_________________
Our new shop with over 150 new products: shop.TheElectricBrewery.com
Purchasing through our affiliate links helps support our site at no extra cost to you. We thank you!
My basement/bar/brewery build 2.0
Back to top
View user's photo album (21 photos)
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer-friendly view    TheElectricBrewery.com Forum Index -> Recipes & Ingredients All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Support our site by purchasing through this link. We thank you!

Forum powered by phpBB © phpBB Group