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hisnastiness
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:39 pm Post subject: Vortex fans |
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Howdy everyone,
Been checking out this forum on and off for a couple of years now as lurker (great stuff by the way), but this is my first post. I was wondering if any of you had input on the Vortex line of fans that Kal recommends in his Ventilation section. I'm trying to decide between the VTX600 (6" ductwork) or the newer Vortex S-Line 6-Inch fan. I've already run the external ductwork so I'm locked into 6 inches in that regard, but I haven't purchased a fan yet. This will be used in the traditional electric basement brewery fashion - to vent moisture.
I like the look, mount-ability, and potentially quieter operation of the S-Line, but the VTX600 pushes more CFM (452 vs 347) and seems to be a proven workhorse around here. As of right now, I'm working with about 4500W for my maximum heating power in the brewery so, according the the calculations on Kal's ventilation page, either fan would technically be adequate. Just looking for a little feedback from folks who have either or both of these fans before making a purchase. Any info. is appreciated.
Thanks for taking time to read through this and happy brewing.
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kal Forum Administrator
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Bou
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I bought the S-line 600 2 years ago and I still have no regret! It is very quiet an effective, but as with other fan you need to make sure that there some air coming in for max efficiency (my ebrew setup is located in the garage so I just crack open a window).
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I also have the s-line 600 with no regrets. Only complaint I have which others have stated with this model is the condensation. I'm not sure if it is because of the slightly lower CFM's or something else. I added a drip rail so it's not really an issue.
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hisnastiness
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Link Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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So what kind of condensation issues are people running into with this rig? Condensation on the hood, or in the unit itself? I know in Kal's write-up on the regular Vortex he mentions leaving a drain hole in the bottom of the unit. Are y'all doing that with the S-Line?
Thanks again.
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Mine is condensation in the hood. I've got my louvers sloped a bit so the water runs to a drip rail and not back in my wort. So not really an issue for me.
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rb1kanobe
Joined: 07 Jan 2020 Posts: 2 Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, I've owned both. The most noticeable difference between the VTX600 and the S600 is the size and ease of mounting. The S600 isn't as loud as the VTX but it's not a huge difference. The S600 is more compact and the mounting bracket allows you to remove the fan without having to disconnect the duct work. This comes in handy when you are tracing drips from condensation. IMO this is where the VTX has an advantage as the fan housing creates a place for the condensation to pool and be drained off. The S600 interior housing is pretty much a straight tube so there's really no low place for the condensation to drain which in my case resulted in dripping from both ends and the center of the fan within 15 minutes of hitting a boil.
I will say that the VTX600 that I ordered has a sticker on it that states not for wet environments. That being said I'm not sure either fan is really designed for this type of application but some seem to have success with it...hopefully I'm one of them.
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi and welcome to the forum rb1kanobe!
rb1kanobe wrote: | I will say that the VTX600 that I ordered has a sticker on it that states not for wet environments. |
It means that the fan can't be installed in an environment or location that may be wet such as outdoors in the rain or snow. They're talking about the NEC / UL requirement. The environment or location is the place the device is installed, not what passes through it.
(NEC) National Electric Code Definition of "wet location": Installations underground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather.
UL Standard 1598 Definition of "wet location": A location in which water or other liquid can drip, splash, or flow on or against electrical equipment. A wet location device shall be constructed to prevent the accumulation of water on live parts, electrical components, or conductors not identified for use in contact with water. A device that permits water to enter the device (during the rain test of Clause 16.5.2 or the sprinkler test of Clause 16.5.3) shall be provided with a drain hole (Clause 13.4.3).
Quote: | That being said I'm not sure either fan is really designed for this type of application but some seem to have success with it...hopefully I'm one of them. |
They are designed for this type of application. Read the second page of the flyer, specifically about how a typical use is to remove moisture from kitchens ranges (in a range hood) and bathrooms: http://vortexpowerfans.com/media/57a0fe247b6b4.pdf
I also confirmed with the manufacturer (spoke to their engineers) that the Vortex line of fans is appropriate for use in range hood applications where steam and heat are evacuated.
More in my ventilation article here: http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/ventilation
Kal
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rb1kanobe
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:30 pm Post subject: Vortex fans |
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Thanks Kal! Great forum which has been super helpful for me as I recently made the switch from propane to electric.
The label on the VTX600 fan that I have which specifically states "Not for use in kitchens." I'm probably reading too much into this one label so I appreciate the additional info and reassurance that this is a suitable fan.
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kal Forum Administrator
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It's not a kitchen... it's a brewery...lol.
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I bought an inflatable pool toy with a label that said, "Not for use in or near water."
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