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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:59 am    Post subject: Every time i put lid on, I get boil over.... Reply with quote


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Should I not be boiling with the lid? Do I need to scoop more foop? Ideas?
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never use the lid for boiling. In fact, you WANT to leave the lid off to help drive off DMS. If you leave it on, it will precipitate on the lid and drip back into the wort.
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungsten wrote:
I never use the lid for boiling. In fact, you WANT to leave the lid off to help drive off DMS. If you leave it on, it will precipitate on the lid and drip back into the wort.


+1. Couldn't agree more. Never boil with the lid on. Just not good. But hey, RDWHAHB! Cheers
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See my BREW DAY STEP BY STEP article. Never boil with the lid on. You want it off, and not only for boilover reasons.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never boil with the lid on for DMS reasons. But I was wondering about leaving the lid on for the first several minutes, say up to 195F or so. Any thoughts on this? It seems this might help conserve a little energy and speed things up. Will the DMS (or precursors?) be released prior to reaching the boiling point, and even if so, is this needed or would the boil time be sufficient anyway?
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO, no issue with leaving the lid on to ramp up faster to boil (I will do this sometimes), but I purposely do not recommend it in my BREW DAY STEP BY STEP as it's too easy to forget and get a boilover. If you do it, I'd set the boil PID to AUTO mode at around 208F and turn on the alarm to sound too when 208F is hit. This way there's no chance of boil over. You'll save a few mins getting up to temp this way.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

foomench wrote:
I never boil with the lid on for DMS reasons. But I was wondering about leaving the lid on for the first several minutes, say up to 195F or so. Any thoughts on this? It seems this might help conserve a little energy and speed things up. Will the DMS (or precursors?) be released prior to reaching the boiling point, and even if so, is this needed or would the boil time be sufficient anyway?


Honestly, I think that would be fine to do... it would get you to a boil faster and conserve energy like you said. If you do a 90 minute boil, most of it will be driven off anyway, and a 60 minute boil should even be enough in most styles. Here is my favorite resource on DMS, which I highly recommend as a fairly short but informative read:

http://beersmith.com/blog/2012/04/10/dimethyl-sulfides-dms-in-home-brewed-beer/
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
If you do it, I'd set the boil PID to AUTO mode at around 208F and turn on the alarm to sound too when 208F is hit. This way there's no chance of boil over.

Unless you live at 5000'. Very Happy
My water boils around 204F, so I'd set the alarm to account for that.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course! From now on I'll try to remember to say "set it to a few degrees below boiling". Smile

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